Office Phone: 815-630-5673 Email: gtourville@navisjoliet.com --------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------. My dad got them in 1984, so that would put them as earlier ASMs. Trades Accepted: We Buy, Sell, or Trade. Non Payment . 44 MADE IN ITALY" is found . Campfire Tracker. Changes were made in the production guns to make sure they could not be passed off as an original. d.) to resell the property publicly or privately with such terms as we find appropriate, to resell the property at public auction without reserve, and with the purchaser liable for any deficiency, cost, including handling charges, the expenses of both sales, our commission on both sales at our regular rate, all other charges due hereunder and incidental damages. Barrel is 8" and on the side says: SM BLACK POWDER ONLY CAL .44 MADE IN ITALY. Metal black powder coated hardware. Look on the revolver barrel or bottom or side of cylinder frame. Bore, cylinder chambers and mechanism are all bright and clean. Hoe can I get a replacement? Serial Number: D43475. I considered making a set of lamps out of them but decided to give them away at 1/3 of what I paid for them. At that price, I bought it. Black Powder Hand Guns 1847 Walker 1848 Dragoon Pocket Models 1851-1861 Navy 1858 Remington 1860 Army 1873 Cattleman BP LeMat Percussion Pistols Flintlock Pistols Conversion Cylinders Walker Conversion . Made in Italy | Kraft Auction Service Login / New Bidder Current Auctions Past Auctions Email List Feedback / Question Back to Catalog Don't let your buddies use your account. Failure to Collect Purchases He knew the early production were quality gun and at some point there was a move and or change of management and quality went in the crapper. Grip and frame finish are consumer finished. I don't know if the frame is steel or brass, how do you tell? . When Puma started having the 92's made by them instead of Rossi in Brazil, they increased the prices but not the workmanship. It is only marked, Made in Italy, and with an unclear makers mark above the loading lever. or Pietta guns, but still a very fine reproduction. gens. Revolver Black Powder Made in Italy Ser. Which is greater 36 yards 2 feet and 114 feet 2 inch? He is no longer with us, and I have no plans to ever shoot it. .44 cal '51 navies a little less. Not responsible for accidents or items after sold. I used to also have an 1858 Remington clone by ASM. Serial Number: E01965 Year of Manufacture: 1994 Caliber: .44 Cap and Ball (Percussion) Action Type: Single Action Cap & Ball (Percussion) Revolver Markings: The right side of the barrels are marked "ASM BLACK POWDER ONLY CAL. The second, also instituted in 1950, is the first black powder proof for Gardone and Brescia, and is only used on black powder arms. Property which is paid for but left on our premises for any reason in excess of sixty (60) calendar days is subject to sale by us with the balance of any funds recovered in excess of storage charges and any other fees being remitted to you. There are sanding marks left in the brass and no proof marks. REPRODUCTION HMS VICTORY BLACK-POWDER CANNON: Mounted on a newer base with metal wheels, the barrel is marked Made in Argentina, barrel measures 20.5" in length, WEIGHT, as is condition. He took the gun back. 800+ Lots of Equipment including Tractors, Forklifts, Mini-Excavator, Trucks, Trailers, Hay Equipment, Livestock Equipment, Lawn Tractors, Construction Equipment and More! It appears from the pics that the nipples were removed at one point, are they all there and operable? Very small, it fits in your hand. Traditions WILDCARD .36 CALIBER BLACK POWDER REVOLVER G18514 $461.00 $378.00 On Sale On Sale 1851 Navy Engraved .44 Cal Nickel Black Powder Revolver . Bidding as Principal You have not registered for this auction. reserves the right to hold merchandise purchased by personal check until the check has cleared the bank. Contemporary Wrought Iron Powder Coated Black Fire Place Screen with Circular Motif. Sold. FOOD, Armi San Marco and Armi Sport now Chiappa are two different companies. I even got a lee mold to cast mini BP bullet for 36 cal , but cause the bullet was a tad long to fit in cly loading press on the navy,I never tried it thanks Stan. Sharing and Usage At our option, payment will not be deemed to have been made in full until we have collected funds represented by checks, or in the case of bank or cashier's checks, we have confirmed their authenticity. If any part of these Conditions of Sale is found by any court to be invalid, illegal or unenforceable, that part shall be discounted and the rest of the conditions shall continue to be valid to the fullest extent permitted by law. Kraft Auction Service LLC. Pistols ASM Colt caliber . Colt's have firing pin/recoil bushing and hardened pressed in bolt cams. Sold Pending Funds -- Thanks Good Afternoon:I have for sale an ASM 1847 Walker Colt in nice condition.Marked "BH" -- Made in 1996Lower right side of barrel marked "SM Black Powder Only Cal. ), Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Pistols (flint), Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Pistols (perc), United States Patent Firearms Revolvers/Pistols, Century Arms International (CAI) - Shotguns. I am very pleased with what i got. They are two different Italian firearms manufacturing companies. The absence of any reference to the condition of a lot does not imply that the lot is in perfect condition or completely free from wear and tear, imperfections or the effects of aging. ITEM: ASM Remington Black Powder Revolver DESCRIPTION: 1858 Remington black powder reproduction Manufacturer: ARMI San Marco Model: Remington Black Powder Revolver Caliber: 44 Cal. FOR SALE. Both sets of these .38 revolvers seem just a bit smaller in the grips and frames than the ASM .45's. None Currently For Sale. We ship all winning items for buyers at the buyer's expense. To add to the confusion Chiappa did purchase the 92 rifle tooling and left over parts from ASM. what ever happen to "army san marcos" guns ? ONCE YOU BID AND BUY THE ITEM, IT IS YOUR ITEM AND YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE. Original blued finish barrel and cylinder, case colored frame, loading lever, hammer and trigger, brass trigger guard and backstrap, varnish finished plain walnut grip. Year of Manufacture: 1987, ATF Classified as Antique Caliber: .44 Caliber Ball Action Type: Single Action, Cap and Ball Black Powder Revolver Markings: The right side of the barrel band is marked "U.S. / 1847". Except as required by local law any warranty of any kind whatsoever is excluded by this paragraph. Used, shows wear and handling, small dings in the area of the cylinder pin end. Free shipping for many products! I also had 2 spare cylinders. I've been told these ASM revolvers' parts interchange with Colt 1st generation. I have an ASM made, Cimarron marked, 1860 Richards. It is unmarked as to importer as well, but we think it is an FIE Import. Table 1 shows recommended charges for CVA revolvers only. Very nice condition. This revolver was displayed on a wall for many years and shows traces of very very light corrosion on the top of the barrel. Case color hammer with walnut grips. You have the names confused. Prospective buyers are strongly advised to personally examine any property in which they are interested before the auction takes place.. All lots are sold AS IS and without recourse and neither Kraft Auction Service LLC. KraftAuctions.com Also, ASM use forged frames instead of castings on many of their revolvers.Replica Arms of El Paso, TX was started by L.F. Allen. Information announced day of sale takes precedence over printed material. It was just the size of a small outfit, like 4-5 people there and I saw mostly lever rifles parts (might be they got their pistol from other sources). Take that, and cross reference it the list below. a.) The Color Case Hardening means the frame is steel. 10:00 am to 4:00 pm Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. IT IS BLACK AND BRASS ON THE SIDE IT SAYS (SM BLACK POWDER ONLY CAL. # 49909 Items in the Price Guide are obtained exclusively from licensors and partners solely for our members' research needs. 7% Indiana Sales Tax. Black Powder Serial #: E08571 Finish: Blue / Brass Frame Barrel Length: 8" Markings: "ASM BLACK POWDER ONLY CAL. Sounds like 1860 Armies to me(they have a naval scene as well)If the barrels are round they're Armies if octagonal they're Navies. HOT water and cloth brush. After loading with black power, the hammer is placed in the half cock position and the barrel swivels to prime with a percussion cap. Barrel is Octagonal, 1/4 inch across the flats, 7 1/2 inch with 7 groove left hand 1:36 rifling. 2022 Pritzker Military Museum & Library. Chiappa (I visited them too) it a totally different story, rather "big" factory. As neat as that would seem it can also be a curse. ASM 1849 Wells Fargo. 7.5" Octagon Barrel. has the right, at our complete discretion, to refuse admission to the premises or participation in any auction and to reject any bid. ARMI SAN MARCO pistol For Sale. The bottom of the cylinders are still shiny. back for a Christmas gift for his son. We have created this email privacy policy to demonstrate our firm commitment to your privacy and the protection of your information. BEFORE THE SALE Two were pretty good while the third and last was not. No, there is little if any chance "any" parts you currently see, other than springs, that would work in an ASM. See Sold Price. Information announced day of sale takes precedence over printed material. What I do know, Italian made .44 Cal BP revolver (6 shot), bought from Cabela's around 1996. .31 Cal single shot Brass Italian Derringer. Kelvin Fisher - AU19500120 - 219-851-5670 I'm guessing kit gun. Registered user must be the buyer, with his or her own money. Shooting, Reading, Riding my Horses, Maintaining my Ranch, Conversing With Friends and Family, Fixing Guns, (good) Old Western Movies, CAS, guns and shooting, guitar, reading, writing, CAS, shooting of any kind, music, baseball, THINGS THAT GO BANG! ASM 1860 Armies with color case hardened steel frames are worth between $100 and $250 depending on condition. Thanks for clearing that up for me Steve, I do know however that the 74's made by the Chiappa are, having problems. Colt Lightning Medium Frame 44/40 Pump Rifle. Armi San Marco. FEMALE PEOPLE, Riding into the sunset in a living room near you, Tusco Long Riders, Brown Township Regulators, Firelands Peacemakers, Ohio Valley Vigilantes, Indiana Black Powder Guild, Bayou Bounty Hunters, Deadwood Marshals, Border Vigilantes, Damascus Wildlife Rangers, Thurmont Rangers, Westshore Posse, Monocacy Illregulars, Potomac Rangers, Cedar Valley Vigilantes, Granite City Gunslingers, Chorro Valley Regulators, Home of The John Wayne Shoot-Out now The SASS Western Regional, The ORIGINAL Pozo River Vigilance Committee, Tejas Caballeros, Texican Rangers, Green Mountain Regulators, Plum Creek Shooting Society, Chorro Valley Regulators, Pozo River Vigilence Committee, piru hole in wall, deadwood boys and ojai desperados, Firelands Peacemakers,Tusco Long Riders, Ohio Valley Vigilantes, Sandusky Regulators, Brown Twp. Telephone Bids They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. Measures approximately 22" in length and wheels are approximately 12" in diameter. I was unable to add your email address to the email list. The original 3rd Dragoons were made with removable stocks and current replicas are . Derringer Black Powder Handgun, Two Antique Wood & Metal Toy Black Powder Guns, Pair of Fase (Spain) Cantilever Desk Lamps, CHANEL - 1998 98P - Karl Lagerfeld Skirt Crop Top Set - White/ Black - 44 US 12, VALENTINO GARAVANI Shoes (Other) Black 44(about 29cm), CHANEL 95A #44 CC Logos Button Double Breasted Long Sleeve Jacket Black, CHANEL - 08A Fall 2008 - Pointelle Knit Off Shoulder Dress - Black - FR 44 US 12, GOLDEN TEAK CRYSTAL MATTE BLACK FOYER LIVING DINING ROOM CHANDELIER 33 LIGHT 44", Fendi Black Grained Leather FF Motif Belt, Chopard K18PG LUC 1860 Cal. Thanks to everyone I now have some knowledge about the guns. This one came in a non-Colt box (which I still have) and has no Colt paperwork. Colonel in Texas Army. 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