You do that and you will find hipoints and cobras to work as they are intended. Thats what made my wife choose a Sig P238, which I carry occasionally. I love mine(CPX 2,no safety) Best carry gun for your dollar bar none. The gun works incredibly well if you use the recommend FMJ ammo as listed in the manual. One of the most MILD mannered pistols you can shoot in 380.They are Ultra reliable with all kinds of ammo. Generally the heavier it is the less recoil. But people usually get .380 to conceal them. If you just care about recoil the Berretta cheeta is a go Its elegant lines and precision engineering have a timeless appeal. The tiny gun is lightweight, inexpensive and comfortable to carry. We buy a pocket gun for last-ditch self defense, which literally makes it a do-or-die gun. Great little pistol. . Mostly new firearm buyers that buy into all the advertising and ridiculous internet junk. These guns shoot any ammo I have fed it. This only naturally makes it more difficult to fire properly like we just talked about. As soon as I saw the title I knew the Pico would be on the list. So now I have a paperweight in the shape of a gun ! Their Reviewers have alot of feed issues due to lack of knowledge of proper grip. It covers the trigger guard of the pistol and has a hook and sticky material to stay secure in your pocket so it is easy to draw the pistol from your pocket without bringing the holster with it. But still, Im sure there are worse ones. Its definitely not perfect but it is far from the worst gun Ive owned. So they added in where if you downvote something you must list at least one reason why. Actually bought a second one. Its been reliable since then for me. Go to some of the forums and you will seem many post and pictures from fans. So the recoil is stout. Not any more fun to shoot, but at least I dont need a damned pencil to take spent brass out of it. With a much lighter trigger, enhanced slide serrations, wider grip, impressive stippling job, and the ability to slide lock on the last round, the LCP II is a definitive improvement over other comparable .380 pocket guns. Do it outside with the gun pointing at the ground and mind your hand positions. Bodyguard were well rated. It went on to launch a revolution of micro .380 handguns. I also Have the Kahr CW380 nice guy but finicky on ammo. Most often the issue is people dry firing, or using hollowpoints. My Airweight has been dehorned and edges softened, carries so comfortably with a Hip Grip that I often forget about it. Im curious as to how you derived your +/- error bars and why you are calling 25-50 votes statistically significant. Those are awfully small sample sizes compared to the number of guns of each make/model in production. For this purpose, I actually switched to an NAA pug. Im in the habit of buying less costly weapons and fully expect to tinker a bit with them to produce a smooth running hot brass pile maker. For those of you looking specifically for a concealed carry pistol, hold off on buying a Glock just yet. Got the Hellcat thrown in when I bought another gun. Using that, Ive compiled a spreadsheet of the resultsby filtering down 200+ subcompact handguns, first by caliber (nothing weaker than .380 ACP), and then by size (nothing bigger than 5.77 long x 4.4 tall).That left 44 semi-autos, which I sorted by each guns average user rating. Great sights, ability to change out to night sights and on and on. The SCCY model CPX-2 is a fine lightweight pistol that shoots a stopper round 9mm. I would have bet the farm that the Ruger LCP was the worst small pistol ever created. Of all the firearm purchases you may make in your lifetime, a pocket gun is probably the one you can least afford to screw up. As in best gun LOL. The trigger pull on most .380 autos is exceptionally long and gritty. No issue with it. And I didnt enjoy shooting my G27 until I got the extended base plates with additional capacity. I had issues with mine to start. Are you kidding me? While the LCP II will accept the same 6 round magazines as the original LCP, it also will not slide lock on the last round with those magazines because they were not designed to do so. Stainless steel through out the gun. For that reason its got a little too much recoil and im not as accurate with it as i am with my heavier pistols chambered in 9mm and 40 caliber . Thats not exactly The TRUTH About Guns. I also have the Kahr. Painful to shoot, yes, but thats what you get when the gun barely weighs more than the bullet it fires. I wouldnt go smaller than a Glock 27 in .40 the recoil is too snappy. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-beauty1.jpg Ruger markets the trigger as having a six pound pull. Or the Springfield EMP (Though mine runs awesome, they are known for manufacturing problems). Bounce is not horrible but that along with size will take some of the enjoyment out of the session. I think you would be hard pressed to find any thing this good for that price. Worst complaint is the trigger, but a lot of dry fires with snap caps and you condition yourself to the long reset. She shot both, along with a used Beretta .380, and chose the Sig despite the price being just about double at the time. I dont care for the finger grooves, the chunky feel, or the bullets rattling in the magazine when they arent stacked just right. Even though its not made anymore, Ive been interested in trying out a Taurus PT638 if I ever ran across one for a reasonable price, anyone have any experience with one? Did you give them Cyrillic numbers to rate with? If you are going to run a wisdom of crowds review site I think you really ought to take a note from them, because we ALL know the crowd can also be incredibly stupid, especially when hiding behind the anonymity of a keyboard. The Sccy gets a 4.3 rating and it stinks? I have pocket holsters for all but the S&W and had been carrying the XDS 45 regularly till yesterday. Never jammed on me or on my daughter who went to the range with me. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-left.jpg. I assume the reason the CM40 sucks is similar. (I like Glocks, but between the trigger and the slimness of the Kahr, Im a convert) My least favorite aspect of the CM40, aside from the revolver-like capacity, is the stiffness of the slide spring. around $219 plus S&H and ffl fees. The warranty cant be beat. A recoil spring system that not only sucks, but lends the thing to have constant and regular jams and FTF and FTEs. Man, all I can say is when you mentioned the Pico, you sure messed up on that one. You sound smart. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-beauty2.jpg When I told him I never have a problem with my P-11 or my wifes Ruger SR-9, he then said maybe its the ammo. Yea James, if you look the SCCY gets like 4.3 stars the best out of this bunch and has the one of the higest vote stats and whats the comment from the author oh this gun stinks based on what? And a PPK has the solid feel of pure quality. Shocking that an IO Inc product is at the bottom of the barrel. OMG! IT is NOT stiff at all. None. Get a Kahr CW380 or P380 and just be done with it cause they really dont get much better for pocket 380 carry IMO. . Web.380 pocket pistols have a well-deserved reputation for having some of the worst trigger pulls of any semi-automatic pistols on the market. You got to be a rookie. I met Leghorn at a Range Day last year and he knows little about handling a weapon. He didnt even require them to be positive. No, maybe we are focusing on the self promotion IN CONJUNCTION with the very questionable methods of research and conclusions drawn from them. My NAA .380 ACP with Novak 3 dot night sights has been 100% reliable with every ammo tried and as accurate as I am. I found that many mags for the Hellcat where not cut properly with too much play at the catch. Three weeks before it was even released. WebBeretta Pico: Worst .380 In the World?! It is about 99% reliable, however, which is good enough to carry. Ive owned a CPX 2 for about a year and we shoot every weekend. WebThe .380 Auto (ACP) Pistol is most often used for self-defense, and is a particularly good choice for concealed carry thanks to its small size. I wouldnt bother to get that info from this site. Overall, the trigger on the LCP II makes it infinitely easier to shoot than the original LCP. OMG! I was also surprised to find the CM40 rated so poorly. Will eventually add a CW380 as a BUG and for times when the CM40 is just too big ha ha. Im generally a fan of .40, though it does have a bit of a signature snap. Kahr makes a lot of pocket guns, and several of them rate really well. Broke the ejector. Her gun was unloaded while the thugs were not. Last but not least, and while this is entirely personal preference, many regard .380 autos as having poor ergonomics due to the fact that their extraordinarily small size means you cant get a full grip on them. Was definitely surprised that certain other brands didnt make the list. It would likely be more meaningful. The guns with the lower number of people voting are probably irrelevant no matter what their scores are. By the way, break down the Kahr and compare it to the Pico. anyone can vote on any gun whether they own or have even seen the gun in person. These arent Rambo guns, they are self defense guns. Oh wow I finally got their awful website to workP3at is #1! I own a hp380. Ive had one for 5 years with no more problems than a Kel-tech 380, and Ruger LCP I compared side by side at the range. The Pico is top shelf. WebBest 9mm Concealed Carry (CCW) Pistol - SIG Sauer P365. The CM40 being smaller and lighter might exhibit a little more, but its not unmanageable. Its not that the gun is too small, its that the trigger is much too close to the tiny grip. Any kind of ammo. It is my bicycle gun. With pocket pistols you get so much more in terms of everything for every little uptick in size you go. I used to have one. capacity. These flaws include, but are not limited to: .380 pocket pistols have a well-deserved reputation for having some of the worst trigger pulls of any semi-automatic pistols on the market. Have you put more than a box through it? My shooting buddy has an LCP. Voted by handgun magazine as a top pistol and great manufacturer. No issues to complain about. After the 200 round break in if you have any, then yes you should be pissed. Seriously?). Thanks for your post. Is it possible to find a Hellcat II that runs well, shoots well and fits well? All you did is look at numerical reviews on the internet. I dont expect any pocket gun to be pleasant to shoot, but I ditched my Hellcat after experiencing multiple failures to eject two types of ammo. Then I go to the LGS and shoot the guns myself, having sorted down to a handful that might meet my needs. I went through 4 LCP. I use the site SlickGuns a lot to shop for deals and they ran into the same problem with upvotes and downvotes people vote something down just because they wouldnt personally buy it makes no difference if it is a good deal, good product, etc. Personally, Id like to see something a little more scientific than a survey since we have no idea if the respondents even handled the firearm. That gun, the TCP, gets pretty good marks everywhere Ive seen it reviewed, so I wouldnt expect it to show up on a pocket guns to avoid list. Sure you can spend $500 on a Glock or what ever else you want to list but the specs on this gun make it a easy choice and hell I can buy two for the price of most good guns. Well, yes, Gigli did suck, but that wasnt known until later. But this article should be called Articles to avoid like the Plague. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. they gladly took it back and said the Cobra .380 was selling like hotcakes. If you have to rely on Counter Clerks for advice on firearms tells me quite a bit. His post show that he is just posting without knowledge of the firearms. The slide has the most ineffective grooves Ive ever felt. I have thousands of rounds through the Picos and trust me, they hold up like the tank they are. And of course not break down like they do with high volume shooting. You hold the slide back to engage the cocking. But if carry options are limited to just a pocket carry for you (i.e. It shoots a powerful pistol cartridge in a light gun. Glad to see it was noted as rating highly, and not on the list. Kahr P380 is the definitive pocket gun. Which is good compared to many overpriced semi auto pistols which are not as dependable. I know I hated my PF9 and would NEVER EVER buy any Keltec pistol again. I own two of them, shoot pockets guns each week and have been for years. However, it is pricey and a bit bulkier than some of the others. Yep and they give AKs a bad name with how terrible theirs are. Ruger has proven that you dont need to have an arduous and gritty trigger pull on a .380 auto and its likely that more manufacturers will now follow their lead. While the LCP II is still a small pocket pistol, Ruger made a number of improvements to it. Still, if youre looking for a all purpose value like pistol then look no further (hesk Ive seen them for $200 NIB out the doorAnd yes, Kel-Tec got copied yet again! Why people follow them is a mystery. This is like the buzzfeed of gun articles. That being said, the LCP II can also be carried IWB or in an ankle holster just as easily as it could be carried in a pocket. Though my CW380 was also unreliable and pinched my finger after firing. They are meant to be defensive arms that can be easily carried in the pocket. Yet one more advantage for the LCP II is the fact that the slide locks back on the final round fired to signal you are empty. And I will do my best to talk others out of Kahr products. I love the Pico. Actually if the SCCY is on here then the Mill Pro G2 should be also, and that gun is a trainwreck compared to the SCCY. Worked fine til the last shot on the second reload. Beretta did a fine job on the Pocket Pistol. TTAG writerJeremy S. apparently had a non-awful experience with a CA380. Everything they make are just wrought with problems. Most people who love the P3-AT just carry it but dont use it. I. Well, Taurus only makes one gun that really meets the pocket pistol criteria set forth in the article. You fire as soon as you pull and have aimed. If one MUST have a 9mm pocket gun, then the Kahr PM9/CM9 is really the only choice. The Pico is one of the best firearms in its class out there period. You have to use the recommened ammo in the manual. Of course the gun was the new upgraded model. But that is just learning curve and a trade off when they removed the problematic safety from the earlier models. Funny, I have the SCCY CPX-2 and I love it. . We saw your review and write up. More than ever, the PPK is a statement of sophistication. Forget about dropping the mag with the shooting hand, cause it aint happening. But for a handgun of last resort, I prefer an Airweight. My old PPK/s doesnt like Blazer alum. Split chassis, cracked frames, split rails, broken take down pins. This is NOT a target gun. I know one person who had a nightmare of an experience with the Diamondback ..380. SuccySuckeySuckySucySukyNope. ******SPONSORED CONTENT/PRODUCT PLACEMENT******. But, it doesnt like to be dirty. Otherwise, their opinion may mean nothing. It is my favorite except the 15 ounce weight makes it have more recoil than a typical 9mm. Obvious, one writers bias, trying to get internet rookies to bash guns most have never shot nor even understand. I like the concept at least. The SCCY has one of the best rating out of these guns on your post. The trigger seem to be the trouble people have with it. He says the trigger is horrible? Makes me question the authors intentions in this article. And for sure never shot one. I have thousands of rounds through both and they keep on trucking One gun has 5000 rounds with just one failure with all kinds of ammo and that was a bad primer strike, which by the way the Pico has double strike capability which took care of that. I carry the SCCY more often and have cycled quite a few rounds through it. But hey, thanks for calling regulars to this site a-holes. Stainless steel throughout the gun. So far wevecollected roughly 34,000 votes with an average rating of 6.1 overall. Glad I didnt see mine. And with 38 other semi-auto pocketguns to choose from, why risk it? [Edit: Jeremy S. had issues w/ the Pico as well], 5) Kahr Arms CM40(3.8 stars 0.7, 36 votes). Got the CPX-2 for about half price new. good amount of rounds it is a damn good carry gun. That thing is a freaking beast of a gun in terms of durability (yes, I have seen torture tests of it). Com-block mack chambered pistols, walthers, and the like just have better reliability w/ less break in. However, they are among the worst guns for concealed carry. The trigger pull on the LCP II most closely resembles the trigger on larger striker fired polymer pistols such as the Glock. 72 people have given the Arsenal Strike 1 a mediocre rating. 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