I would say about 50 percent, maybe 60 percent of it was written during the pandemic. We envision a world that is more fluent in its own humanity and thus able to rise to the great challenges and promise of this century. The Fetzer Institute, supporting a movement of organizations applying spiritual solutions to societys toughest problems. Krista Tippett. I dont know why this, but this. And I remember reading it was Elizabeth Bishops One Art, and its a villanelle, so its got a very strict rhyme scheme. Cracking time open, seeing its true manifold nature, expands a sense of the possible in the here and the now. Yeah. Enough of osseous and chickadee and sunflower. You boiled it down. The phrase mental health itself makes less and less sense in light of the wild interactivity we can now see between what weve falsely compartmentalized as physical, emotional, mental, even spiritual. From the earliest years of his career, he investigated how emotions are coded in the muscles of our faces, and how they serve as moral sensory systems. He was called on as Emojis evolved; he consulted on Pete Docters groundbreaking movie Inside Out. On her show she promoted her new book, Einstein's God, and if the show is any indication, this new enterprise promises to be a fun fest for people inclined . They are honoring and recovering the fullness of the human experience the life of the mind, the truth of the body, the wild mystery of the spirit, and our need for each other. So it was always this level in which what was being created and made as he was in my life was always musical. Anthem. I grew up in Glen Ellen in Sonoma, California, born and raised. Each of us imprints the people in the world around us . Interesting. Yeah. Or, Im suffering, or Right. Oh, thank you. It is still the river. Can you locate that? is an independent nonprofit production of The On Being Project. And I also just wondered if that experience of loving sound and the cadence of this language that was yours and not yours, if that also flowed into this love of poetry. And the Q has the tail of a monkey, and weve forgotten this. I am too used to nostalgia now, a sweet escape, of age. even the tenacious high school band off key. For me, I have pain, so Ive moved through the body in pain. Yet whats most stunning is how presciently and exquisitely Ocean spoke, and continues to speak, to the world we have since come to inhabit its heartbreak and its poetry, its possibilities for loss and for finding new life. I grew up in Glen Ellen in Sonoma, California, born and raised. This conversation shines a light on an emerging ecosystem in our world over and against the drumbeat of what is fractured and breaking: working with the complex fullness of reality, and cultivating old and new ways of seeing, to move towards a transformative wholeness of living. She created and hosts the public radio program and podcast On Being . Her six books of poetry include, most recently, The Hurting Kind. And the Lilly Endowment, an Indianapolis-based, private family foundation dedicated to its founders interests in religion, community development, and education. But we dont need to belabor that. And it was just me, the dog, and the cat, and the trees. But let me say, I was taken, back and forth on Sundays and it was not easy, but I was loved each place. what a word, what a world, this gray waiting. And I knew immediately that it was a love poem and a loss poem. [Laughter] I feel like I could hear that response, right? Before the dogs chain. Its the thing that keeps us alive. Because how do we care for one another? Limn: Yeah. And honestly, this feels to me like if I were teaching a college class, I would have somebody read this poem and say, Discuss.. And sometimes when youre going through it, you can kind of see the mono-crop of vineyards that its become. And I think about that all the time. And there are times where I think people have said as a child, Oh, you come from a broken home. And I remember thinking, Its not broken, its just bigger. I was like, Oh. Then I came downstairs and I was like, Lucas, Im never going to get to be Poet Laureate.. And it says, You are here. And I felt like every day Id write a poem was literally putting that little, You are here dot on a map. Ive got a bone. [laughter] But I think you are a prodigy for growing older and wiser. I will trust the world and I will feel at peace. And this time, what came to me as I stood and looked at the trees was that Oh, it isnt just me looking. I feel like the short poem, maybe read that one, the After the Fire poem is such a wonderful example of so much of what weve been talking about, how poetry can speak to something that is impossible to speak about. And it often falls apart from me. love it again, until the song in your mouth feels Tippett: Well, a lot of us I think are still a little agoraphobic. Its Spanish and English, and Im trying, and Ill look at him and be like, How much degrees is it?, And hes like, Are you trying to ask me what the weather is?. Look, we are not unspectacular things. I have your books, and theres some, too. And both parents all four of my parents, I should say would point those things out, that special quality of connectedness that the natural world offers us. On Being is an hour-long radio show and podcast, hosted by Krista Tippett. The original idea, when we say like our, thesis statement, or even when we say like. and the one that is so relieved to finally be home. , its woven through everything. is so bright and determined like a flame, I think grief is something that is very We have so much to grieve even as we have so much to walk towards. Theres whole books about how to breathe. Yes I am. But I trust those moments. And here was something that was so well crafted and people to this day will say its one of the most expert villanelles ever written its so well crafted, and yet it doesnt actually offer any answers. Black bark, slick yellow leaves, a kind of stillness that feels, We point out the stars that make Orion as we take out. And I wonder if you think about your teenage self, who fell in love with poetry. Limn: Yeah, I was convinced. Tippett: I mean, even that question you asked, What am I supposed to do with all that silence? Thats one way to talk about the challenge of being human and walking through a life. Then in 2018, she published a brilliant essay called "Complicating the Narratives," which she opened by confessing a professional existential crisis. What was it? You will hear the voices of wise and graceful lives of former guests, and of listeners from far-flung places. And so I have So the poem you wrote, Joint Custody. You get asked to read it. Copyright 2023, And if youd like to know more, we suggest you start with our. Youre never like, Oh, Im just done grieving. I mean, you can pretend you are, right, but we arent. In the modern western world, vocation was equated with work. If you are here, you are likely already part of this. Tippett: Its that Buddhist, the finger pointing at the moon, right? I think there were these moments that that quietness, that aloneness, that solitude, that as hard as they were, I think hopefully weve learned some lessons from that. Replenishment and invigoration in your inbox. And I was in the backyard by myself, as many of us were by ourselves. We understand love as the most reliably transformative muscle of human wholeness, and we investigate the workings of love as public practice. Winters icy hand at the back of all of us. And I feel like theres a level of mystery thats allowed in the poem that feels like, Okay, I can maybe read this into it, I can put myself into it, and it becomes sort of its own thing. [laughs]. My body is for me.. Tippett: I dont expect you to have the page number memorized. . And I feel like poetry makes the world for that experience, as opposed to: Im fine., Tippett: [laughs] Yeah. A scholar of belonging. A scholar of magic. She grew up loving science fiction, and thought wed be driving flying cars by now; and yet, has found in speculative fiction the transformative force of vision and imagination that might in fact save us. And thats also not the religious association with Sunday, right? And theyre like, Oh, I didnt know that was a thing.. To be made whole Tippett: And when you say I know one shouldnt take poems apart like this, but The thesis is the river. What does that mean? Or theres just something happens and you get all of a sudden for it to come flooding back. Its got breath, its got all those spaces. about being fully human this adventure were all on that is by turns treacherous and heartbreaking and revelatory and wondrous. And so, its so hard to speak of, to honor, to mark in this culture. and the stoic farmer and faith and our father and tis We offer it here as an audio experience, and we think you will enjoy being in the room retroactively. And for us, it was Sundays. It feels important to me, right now, because I want to talk to you about this a little bit, what weve been through. Krista Tippett (ne Weedman; born November 9, 1960) is an American journalist, author, and entrepreneur. enough of the animal saving me, enough of the high But its true. SHARE. If you think about it, its not a good, song. Tune in now. I feel like that between space, that liminal space, is a place where we were living for so long, and many of us still living in that between space of, How do I go into the world safely, and how do I move through the world with safety and care-take myself and care-take others. You boiled it down. for the water to stop shivering out of the And theres sort of an invitation at the end. Limn: There was a bit of like, Eww, lover. [laughter], Easy light storms in through the window, soft And isnt it strange that breathing is something that we have to get better at? And I want you to read it. And then I would say in terms of the sacred, it was always the natural world. Tippett: Just back to this idea that there is this organic automatically breathing thing of which were part, and that we even have to rediscover that. Tippett: And I also just wondered if that experience of loving sound and the cadence of this language that was yours and not yours, if that also flowed into this love of poetry. 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